{"id":2039,"date":"2014-09-12T11:26:55","date_gmt":"2014-09-12T18:26:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/?p=2039"},"modified":"2022-04-25T10:57:24","modified_gmt":"2022-04-25T17:57:24","slug":"naomi-oreskes-problems-pt-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/?p=2039","title":{"rendered":"Naomi Oreskes&#8217; Problems, pt 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A brief set of questions and answers illustrates how any sort of examination of the &#8216;skeptic climate scientists are industry-corrupted&#8217; accusation doesn&#8217;t reveal a nice, tidy, open-and-shut case against such skeptics, all that&#8217;s seen is something begging for a deeper investigation of why the accusation exists at all.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>In his 2012 &#8220;The Machinery of Climate Anti-Science&#8221; Youtube presentation <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?&amp;v=Q5Sb0V9acno#t=667\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">at the 11:07 point<\/a>, John Mashey mentions how he learned about Naomi Oreskes in 2007 via a talk she gave, and how her work was subsequently &#8216;attacked&#8217;, and at the 11:46 point he says, &#8220;<em>In the meantime of helping Naomi defend herself, she introduced me to the Desmogblog folks who are based in Vancouver, and they have ended up helping me publish a bunch of reports on some of this<\/em>.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>What is Desmogblog? They are <a href=\"http:\/\/www.desmogblog.com\/about\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">a Canadian PR organization<\/a> supposedly &#8220;Clearing the PR Pollution That Clouds Climate Science&#8221;, but as I have said elsewhere at this blog, Ross Gelbspan states just 8 seconds <a href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/sciencepope\/ross-exposing-coal-media\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">into this audio interview<\/a> that he founded Desmog. The head of the organization does little more than repeat Gelbspan&#8217;s &#8216;corrupt skeptic climate scientists&#8217; accusation <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/?p=1989\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">in error prone fashion<\/a>, and Gelbspan was a frequent blogger at Desmog <a href=\"http:\/\/www.desmogblog.com\/user\/ross-gelbspan?page=50\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">for nearly five years<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Who is John Mashey? Not only does Desmog help him publish reports, they give him a platform <a href=\"http:\/\/www.desmogblog.com\/user\/john-mashey\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">at their place<\/a>.\u00a0His <a href=\"http:\/\/www.desmogblog.com\/sites\/beta.desmogblog.com\/files\/fake2.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">&#8216;denier funding&#8217; reports<\/a> in particular are <em>tedious<\/em> to look through, and despite all the work he puts into them,\u00a0they only paint a foggy guilt-by-association picture of skeptic funding and never provide evidence than any amount, large or small, was accompanied by an industry directive to misinform the public and\/or fabricate false science reports. However, the above-linked report was something the PBS Frontline &#8220;Climate of Doubt&#8221; people apparently relied on for their hit piece against skeptic climate scientists, and Mashey states they <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/Mashey-Frontline.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">had it and discussed it with him<\/a> during the assembling of that program months prior to his first publication of it.<\/p>\n<p>What was the &#8220;Climate of Doubt&#8221; program? It was an <a href=\"http:\/\/www.pbs.org\/wgbh\/pages\/frontline\/environment\/climate-of-doubt\/transcript-31\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">October 2012 public TV program<\/a> that simply could not expand out of the 3-point mantra that the man-caused global warming issue always boils down to: &#8220;<em>the science is settled<\/em>&#8221; \/ &#8220;<em>skeptics are industry-corrupted<\/em>&#8221; \/ &#8220;<em>reporters may ignore skeptic material because of points 1 &amp; 2<\/em>\u201d. More egregious, the people associated with \u201cClimate of Doubt&#8221; could not be bothered to <a href=\"http:\/\/wattsupwiththat.com\/2012\/11\/17\/frontline-responds-to-complaints-about-oct-23-climate-of-doubt-here-the-rebuttal-to-frontline-that-pbs-ombudsman-wont-put-online\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">answer tough questions about it<\/a>, and had to be prompted by others just to permit <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/Clim-of-Doubt-comment.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">critical comments about the program<\/a> to appear at their web site&#8217;s comment page.<\/p>\n<p>What is Frontline? It&#8217;s an otherwise quite good US news expos\u00e9 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.pbs.org\/wgbh\/pages\/frontline\/about-us\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">public broadcasting series<\/a> that has inexplicably biased reports about the global warming issue. The above &#8220;Climate of Doubt&#8221; program qualifies as such with its blatant insinuation about skeptics corrupted by illicit money, as does its prior 2008 program &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.pbs.org\/wgbh\/pages\/frontline\/heat\/etc\/script.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Heat<\/a>\u201d, in which only unidentified skeptic scientists were shown while the <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/Heat-transcript.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">narrator said<\/a> &#8220;<em>Not only have big oil companies not invested much in renewables, but for years they were among the largest contributors to so-called climate change denier groups, groups like the Heartland Institute, the organizer of this 2008 convention<\/em>.&#8221; Its supplemental online interview of the late IPCC scientist Dr Stephen Schneider <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/Heat-Schneider-interview.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">quoted his opinion<\/a> about the Global Climate Coalition as being &#8220;<em>a coalition of liars and spin doctors to <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">reposition the debate onto the issue of uncertainty, way beyond [what] the scientific community agreed with<\/span><\/em>&#8221; (he probably meant to say it was the Western Fuels Association, out to &#8220;<em><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">reposition<\/span> global warming <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">as theory<\/span> <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">rather than fact<\/span><\/em>\u201d, an error I note at item 17 <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/?p=1480\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">here<\/a>). Last but not least, there was Frontline&#8217;s 2007 &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.pbs.org\/wgbh\/pages\/frontline\/hotpolitics\/etc\/script.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Hot Politics<\/a>&#8221; program, <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/Hot-Politics-transcr.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">in which Ross Gelbspan appeared<\/a>, followed with an assertion that skeptic climate scientists &#8216;attack science&#8217; under the same playbook as the old tobacco industry.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Wait &#8211; that tobacco parallel is what Naomi Oreskes mentions no later than <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/Oreskes-p-6.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">page 6<\/a> in her &#8220;Merchants of Doubt&#8221; book.<\/li>\n<li>\u2026 the same parallel Dr Schneider mentioned <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/06\/Schneider-tobacco-1992.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">back in 1992<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>\u2026 the same Dr Schneider who appeared as a primary Discussant with Oreskes at <a href=\"https:\/\/aaas.confex.com\/aaas\/2010\/webprogram\/Session1591.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">this 2010 AAAS symposium<\/a>, of which <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/Mashey-Schneider-blog.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">John Mashey says<\/a> he &#8220;<em>had a great lunch with him and the other speakers<\/em>.&#8221;<\/li>\n<li>\u2026 the same John Mashey who speaks of bad journalism \/ fake balance <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?&amp;v=Q5Sb0V9acno#t=656\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">at the 10:56 point<\/a> of his Youtube presentation.<\/li>\n<li>\u2026 the same unnecessary (a.k.a. fake) balance for the global warming issue\u00a0noted at <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/Oreskes-PBS-Teachers.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">this PBS Teachers internet curriculum page<\/a> (full text <a href=\"http:\/\/www.pbs.org\/teachers\/stem\/professionaldevelopment\/025\/explain\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">here<\/a>) where they cite Oreskes in a not-too-subtle effort to indoctrinate educators about just one side of the issue<\/li>\n<li>\u2026 the same &#8220;unfair media balance for skeptic climate scientists&#8221; <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/?p=1886\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">that Dr Schneider seemingly coined in the 1980s<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>\u2026 an &#8220;unfair media balance&#8221; problem that demonstrably <a href=\"http:\/\/junkscience.com\/2012\/07\/13\/pbs-newshour-global-warming-coverage-ipccnoaa-scientists-18-skeptic-scientists-0\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">does not exist<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>On and on. Widen out the cast of characters and it never improves, it still involves the same set of simplistic unsupportable talking points surrounding an accusation having not a shred of evidence to back it up, which itself serves merely to distract the public from noticing that the notion of man-caused catastrophic global warming struggles to stand on its basic merits in the face of withering science-based criticisms.<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br \/>\nNaomi Oreskes&#8217; Problems, <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/?p=2009\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">pt 1<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A brief set of questions and answers illustrates how any sort of examination of the &#8216;skeptic climate scientists are industry-corrupted&#8217; accusation doesn&#8217;t reveal a nice, tidy, open-and-shut case against such skeptics, all that&#8217;s seen is something begging for a deeper &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/?p=2039\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[38,35,86],"tags":[108,88,80,171,31],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2039"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2039"}],"version-history":[{"count":19,"href":"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2039\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":13538,"href":"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2039\/revisions\/13538"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2039"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=2039"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=2039"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}