{"id":18795,"date":"2025-08-01T21:44:42","date_gmt":"2025-08-02T04:44:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/?p=18795"},"modified":"2025-08-01T21:44:42","modified_gmt":"2025-08-02T04:44:42","slug":"oreskes-embrace-of-the-victory-will-be-achieved-memos-redux-in-honolulu-v-sunoco-big-big-mistake","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/?p=18795","title":{"rendered":"Oreskes\u2019 Embrace of the \u201cVictory Will Be Achieved\u201d Memos, Redux, in <i>Honolulu v Sunoco<\/i> &#8211; Big, big mistake."},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The widely shared <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/AP-Honolulu-suing-July-28.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Associated Press news<\/a> on July 28th was that a hearing in Hawaii was scheduled to take place the next day on whether the <em>Honolulu v Sunoco<\/em> global warming damages lawsuit should be tossed out because the &#8216;statute of limitations&#8217; on the case had somehow run out. The defendants&#8217; law firms legal technicality minutiae maneuvers from all their prior 8+ months of effort to <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/AGW-cases-state-v-Federal.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">get it out of state court<\/a> and into Federal court <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Honolulu-SCOTUS-passes.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">didn&#8217;t work<\/a>, so it appears they are trying a different maneuver &#8230; but in ABC News&#8217; July 28 regurgitation of the AP story, which I fortuitously screencaptured on July 29th, showed how Naomi Oreskes&#8217; name just <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/AP-quotes-Oreskes.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">could not stay out of the overall situation<\/a>. I say &#8220;fortuitous&#8221; because one day later when I reopened both the ABC &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/abcnews.go.com\/US\/wireStory\/honolulus-lawsuit-fossil-fuel-companies-leads-climate-change-124160920\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Honolulu&#8217;s lawsuit against fossil fuel companies leads climate change legal fight<\/a>&#8221; story and the AP original version to copy words out of them &#8211; <strong><em>poof<\/em><\/strong> &#8211; Oreskes has <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/ABC-News-no-find-Oreskes.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">vanished<\/a> from <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/AP-no-find-Oreskes.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">both<\/a>. But what&#8217;s seen in the internet <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Honolulu-draws-Oreskes.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">cannot be unseen<\/a>. What&#8217;s going on right there with that erasure? Luckily, someone smarter than me preserved <a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20250729050812\/https:\/\/apnews.com\/article\/honolulu-fossil-fuels-lawsuit-climate-change-511ed010f033de34d2ba268af668eb92\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">an Internet Archive version<\/a> of the original AP story, <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Internet-Archive-AP-quotes-Oreskes.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">with the two Oreskes paragraphs intact<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Not<\/strong> an especially bright idea for the AP to say Oreskes had submitted an Opposition filing against the defendants&#8217; &#8216;statute of limitations&#8217; maneuver; dumber yet is to bury that fact like it never happened. However, that&#8217;s only the tip of the proverbial iceberg in this particular new situation.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Pure &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/Streisand-Effect.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Streisand Effect<\/a>&#8221; for me. Readers here at GelbspanFiles will remember we are talking about <strong><em>that<\/em><\/strong> Naomi Oreskes,\u00a0she of her self-proclaimed &#8216;expertise&#8217; &#8211; be sure to click on this screencapture image <a href=\"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Oreskes-expert-informed-reposit.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">here<\/a> on that &#8211; concerning &#8216;particular smoking gun evidence&#8217; of the fossil fuel industry&#8217;s efforts to deceive the public. I already detailed <a href=\"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/Oreskes-Hawaii-amici-reposit-Michaels.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the fatal problem<\/a> within her <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/?p=13329\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">2021 Friend of the Court brief for <\/a><em>Honolulu,<\/em> so upon reading that she&#8217;d very recently filed something new on this case, I wanted to see how she spoke of\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Ye-olde-explanatione.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>ye olde<\/em><\/a> &#8220;reposition global warming&#8221; memos, the set that basically <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Oreskes-reposit-Facs-cornerstone.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">helped to launch<\/a> her &#8216;industry accuser&#8217; speaking career back in late 2007-2008.<\/p>\n<p>Uhhh &#8230; Houston, <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Oreskes-declares-under-penalty-25.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">we have a problem<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>For any new readers arriving at my blog, I&#8217;ll explain that the problem surrounds the fact that Naomi Oreskes always was purely a one-trick pony when it came to providing so-called &#8216;evidence&#8217; that the fossil fuel industry ran disinformation campaigns. The notorious (it turns out, <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/01\/Arnold-corroborates3.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">never-implemented<\/a>) &#8220;reposition global warming&#8221; memos, hand-in-glove with the notorious <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=YzyUEaNQQzM&amp;t=1270s\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">&#8220;Chicken Little&#8221; newspaper advertorial<\/a> (which, it turns out, was <a href=\"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/GP-ICE-Chicklittle-magnif2.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">never actually published anywhere<\/a>) wasn&#8217;t merely the best evidence she had for her accusation, it was essentially the <strong><em>only<\/em><\/strong> evidence she had in her 2007-2008 &#8220;You Can Argue With the Facts&#8221; <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/Oreskes-MyFacs-Show-circuit.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">traveling lecture presentation act<\/a> (I dissected that presentation <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/?p=13816\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">here<\/a> point-by-point). Who knows why it was left out of her 2010 &#8220;Merchants of Doubt&#8221; book, but she felt compelled to repeat that accusation <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/Oreskes-AAAS-reposit2-BadFacts.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">while mentioning her then-upcoming debut of that book<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>It wasn&#8217;t until <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/?p=8291\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the first<\/a> of her Friends of the Court briefs in 2019 that she finally mentioned the <em>second<\/em>-best &#8216;evidence&#8217; the enviro-activists have about &#8216;industry disinfo campaigns, namely the (it turns out, <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/GF-OKeefe-says-never-impl.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">never-implemented<\/a>) &#8220;victory will be achieved&#8221; memos. This strange 12-year omission of hers &#8211; when so many others were mentioning the &#8220;victory&#8221; memos &#8211; struck me as being inexplicable, and I detailed more about it in my Jan 2025 &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/?p=18122\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Naomi Oreskes\u2019 Embracing of the &#8216;Victory Will Be Achieved&#8217;<\/a>&#8221; memos blog post. I brought up the situation at that time because I&#8217;d been alerted to one of her co-authored 2019 publications . . . . . which entirely omitted the &#8220;reposition global warming&#8221; memos. I thought it was <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Oreskes-weird-victory-switch.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">really out of character for her to do<\/a>, worthy of deeper investigation of why she chose to do that. Why on Earth would she <strong><em>not<\/em><\/strong> say anything about her &#8220;best&#8221; evidence when she led with that &#8220;reposition&#8221; accusation for the prior dozen years?<\/p>\n<p>That question needs to be asked again regarding her May 2025 Declaration submitted to the Hawaii court. She never mentions anything related to her most beloved of accusations <a href=\"https:\/\/climatecasechart.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/case-documents\/2025\/20250509_docket-1CCV-20-0000380_opposition.pdf#page=29\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">within her 42-page Declaration<\/a>, which is otherwise the cornerstone of <a href=\"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/4-accusation-elements-Soon-37.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the 4-element accusation overall<\/a> seen in the Sher Edling boilerplate copy lawsuits, including <em>Honolulu<\/em>: <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Honolulu-Maui-reposit.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Bam<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Hawaii-ICE-ads.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">bam<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/Honolulu-API.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">bam<\/a>, <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Honolulu-v-Soon.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">bam<\/a>.<\/strong> Sher Edling <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/?tag=sher-edling-boilerplate\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">boilerplate copy<\/a> lawsuits are just that predictable.<\/p>\n<p>Despite being <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/GF-Oreskes-on-retainer.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">on retainer with Sher Edling<\/a> as &#8211; no doubt &#8211; their go-to expert on &#8216;industry disinfo campaigns&#8217; (she&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/Oreskes-CV-History-PhD-geologist.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">not a climate scientist<\/a> nor has any climate science expertise on that issue), she only brings up the last two in her Declaration:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">\u2022 <em>ye olde<\/em> &#8220;victory&#8221; memos accusation (again, <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/MJones-victory-doubt-never-impl.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">never implemented<\/a>) in the basic all-Declarations section, <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Oreskes-victory-argument-version.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">print page 5, PDF file page 12<\/a><br \/>\n\u2022 in her own specific Declaration, <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Oreskes-victory-Decl-version.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">print page 18, PDF file page 45<\/a> \u2014 while quoting different sentences, it is nevertheless the same memo set, and by virtue of never being implemented, it is <strong><em>worthless<\/em><\/strong> as evidence to prove industry-orchestrated deception\/disinformation campaigns happened in the past or are ongoing today. And who&#8217;s her source there? Not just any old &#8216;climate files&#8217; website, <em>that<\/em> Climate Files site, formerly headed <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Davies-LinkedIn-Jan24-GPOA.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">by\u00a0<em>that<\/em> Kert Davies<\/a>, whose <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/09\/DocCloud-Victory-Davies-copy2-1024x506.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">2013-era Greenpeace upload<\/a> of the &#8220;victory&#8221; memos is disguised in Sher Edling lawsuit filings by placing the file <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/12\/Innoc-v-Davies-docCloud.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">under an innocuous-looking<\/a> &#8220;DocumentCloud&#8221; internet address location. <em>That<\/em> Kert Davies, who traces back prior to Greenpeace to <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/OA-staff-Passac-Davies2.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the old Ozone Action group<\/a> which is the place that gave <em>ye olde<\/em> &#8220;reposition global warming&#8221; memos <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/OA-Gelb-obtained-v3.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">their first, continuing media traction<\/a>. Doesn&#8217;t matter whether people use Oreskes&#8217; preferred Climate Files link version <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/GP-2013-Victory-Oreskes-quote-version.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">or the Greenpeace upload version<\/a>, it&#8217;s the same worthless memo set.<br \/>\n\u2022 in her own specific Declaration, <strong><em>on the same page<\/em><\/strong> immediately following the above &#8220;victory&#8221; memos accusation, Oreskes <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Oreskes-v-Soon-Decl-version.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">falsely attempts to tie skeptic climate scientist Dr Willie Soon<\/a> to those memos. Who&#8217;s her sources for that accusation? Footnote #63 goes to the Feb 21, 2015 <em>New York Times<\/em> &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2015\/02\/22\/us\/ties-to-corporate-cash-for-climate-change-researcher-Wei-Hock-Soon.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Deeper Ties to Corporate Cash for Doubtful Climate Researcher<\/a>.&#8221; Who was the <em>NYT<\/em>&#8216;s source? The not-identified-as-previously-working-for-Greenpeace <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/NYT-Davies.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Kert Davies<\/a>. Footnote #69 goes to the Feb 21, 2015 UK <em>Guardian<\/em> &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/environment\/2015\/feb\/21\/climate-change-denier-willie-soon-funded-energy-industry\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Work of prominent climate change denier was funded by energy industry<\/a>.&#8221; Who was the <em>Guardian<\/em>&#8216;s source? <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Grauniad-Davies-v-Soon-2015.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Kert Davies<\/a>. Who will gladly explain at length how the accusation is totally false? <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=EcXzZwo8_qg&amp;t=432s\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Dr Willie Soon<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">Notice that Oreskes&#8217; just-prior footnote #68 is for an Amy Westervelt <em>Washington Post<\/em> article which just tangentially mentions Dr Soon. But this happens to be <em>that<\/em> Amy Westervelt, whose podcast source for <em>ye olde<\/em> &#8220;victory&#8221; memos <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/Drilled-18-victory.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">was Kert Davies<\/a>, and whose source for <em>ye olde<\/em> &#8220;reposition global warming&#8221; memos was . . . . . . . . . wait for it . . . . . &#8230; <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/GF-Westervelt-Davies-reposit.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Kert Davies<\/a>. Oreskes&#8217; footnote #67 goes to a George Monbiot 2006 <em>Guardian<\/em> piece tangentially about Fred Seitz. But this happens to be <em>that<\/em> George Monbiot, who three years later wrote about <em>ye olde<\/em> &#8220;reposition global warming&#8221; memos, and who&#8217;s his source about them there? <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Monbiot-Reposit-leaked2.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Naomi Oreskes<\/a>, who, contrary to what he claimed, never actually made memo set available online <em><strong>anywhere.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p>At Davies&#8217; Climate Files site, the literal best &#8216;evidence&#8217; he&#8217;s ever had for &#8216;industry disinfo campaigns&#8221; <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Davies-ClimFiles-reposit-Chicken.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">is the accusation<\/a> surrounding the &#8220;reposition global warming&#8221; memos. Second-best has always been the &#8220;victory&#8221; memos &#8211; to this day, <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/DaviesXvictory25.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">his Twitter\/X account header photo<\/a> features his Greenpeace-era degraded photocopy scan image. It needs to be further noted here in connection with the central 4 element accusation about &#8216;industry disinfo campaigns&#8217; that Kert Davies and <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/ex-GPers-Passac-Davies.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">his former Greenpeace<\/a> \/ <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/OA-staff-Jan-99.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">former Ozone Action boss<\/a> were pitching the idea of accusing Dr Willie Soon of taking industry bribes <a href=\"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Roland-Lee-v-Soon.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">to at least one state-level Attorney General&#8217;s office<\/a> <em>before<\/em> any of the current &#8220;ExxonKnew&#8221; lawsuits were filed.<\/p>\n<p>Davies&#8217; accusations about &#8216;industry-orchestrated disinfo campaigns&#8217; is meritless; by default, anyone relying on him is pushing meritless accusations based on his material. As I pointed out <a href=\"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/?p=18753\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">in my<\/a> two-prior <a href=\"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/?p=18719\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">blog posts<\/a>, it appears the BBC has inadvertently \/ indirectly acknowledged that there was a fatal fault in their own reliance on Kert Davies for his &#8220;reposition global warming&#8221; accusation material.<\/p>\n<p>By utterly omitting that same &#8220;reposition global warming&#8221; accusation in her May 2025 Opposition filing for <em>Honolulu v Sunoco<\/em>, is Naomi Oreskes also inadvertently \/ indirectly acknowledging that there is a fatal fault with that accusation and &#8211; similar to the BBC &#8211; hoping nobody spots this? After all, re-emphasizing the problem <a href=\"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/Oreskes-Hawaii-amici-reposit-Michaels.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">via this screencapture<\/a> out of her 2022 Amicus on behalf of <em>Honolulu<\/em>, it was previously her killer offering of &#8216;evidence.&#8217;<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s not to say, however, that the collective 195-page collection of Declarations against the fossil fuel defendants was devoid of any reference to the &#8220;reposition global warming&#8221; accusation. But the one instance of it answers no questions, it raises more questions.<\/p>\n<p>The solitary instance is within Dr Anthony Pratkanis&#8217; Declaration; he&#8217;s a self-described &#8220;experimental social psychologist&#8221; <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Pratkanis-who-why.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">who says he was asked by the plaintiffs<\/a> to describe what disinformation campaigns were. Five pages later within a lengthy paragraph of fifteen supposed examples of disinformation campaigns, <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Pratkanis-solitary-ICE.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">there it is<\/a>, with not a single word explaining what the campaigns was, where it occurred, or what was disinforming in it. Just sentences above that at the end of his prior page, who does Dr Pratkanis imply is a go-to source on fossil fuel industry disinformation campaigns? <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Pratkanis-cites-Oreskes.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Naomi Oreskes<\/a>. Not helping Dr Pratkanis&#8217; own situation here at all is that he also signed his Declaration as being correct, <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Pratkanis-all-is-true.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">under penalty of perjury no less<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>He may sincerely <em>believe<\/em> what he said right there was true, where it&#8217;s quite possible he never questioned a thing about it. The real question in this situation is whether Naomi Oreskes believes all of what she says is true. When she claims <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Oreskes-1970s.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">&#8220;Exxon knew&#8221; as far back as the &#8217;70s<\/a> about the use of their products causing global warming, does she know that cannot possibly be true in the face of all the reports back then about imminent global cooling? Her own <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/Oreskes-CV-June-04.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">July 2004 science conference presentation<\/a> &#8211; offered just months before <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Oreskes-04-big-splash.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">her big splash<\/a> into the climate issue &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Oreskes-July-04-Earth-cooling.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>undermines<\/strong><\/a> her present-day assertion. Is she simply <em>that forgetful<\/em>? Does she know that <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Oreskes-v-Singer.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">her accusation against the late Dr S Fred Singer<\/a> is <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/?p=5176\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">so false<\/a> that it possibly strays into outright defamation?<\/p>\n<p>Meanwhile, do we have some kind of hidden trend here? BBC <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/BBC-reposit-comparo.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">erasing the &#8220;reposition global warming&#8221; phrase<\/a> from their specific podcast report title? Oreskes omitting any mention of that accusation in her Opposition submittal to the Hawaii Court? The Associated Press <a href=\"http:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/AP-disappears-Oreskes.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">erasing Oreskes&#8217; significant appearance<\/a> in their news piece about the <em>Honolulu v Sunoco<\/em> lawsuit hearing?<\/p>\n<p>Just askin.&#8217;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The widely shared Associated Press news on July 28th was that a hearing in Hawaii was scheduled to take place the next day on whether the Honolulu v Sunoco global warming damages lawsuit should be tossed out because the &#8216;statute &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/?p=18795\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[135,166],"tags":[46,80],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/18795"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=18795"}],"version-history":[{"count":13,"href":"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/18795\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":18808,"href":"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/18795\/revisions\/18808"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=18795"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=18795"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gelbspanfiles.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=18795"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}